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  • in reply to: Week 7 – Learning Activities #621

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    Thanks

  • in reply to: Week 7 – Learning Activities #620

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    @mcquilkin or @luke can you fix this so it’s readable.

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion B #605

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    “The discussion does not dismiss the risks posed by inappropriate or excessive use of plyometric training, but it stresses that it is not the inherent nature of plyometrics which may produce injury, but the manner in which it is used, as is the case with all forms of training.” (Siff, M. p.267) To me this quote says it all, any form of training comes with inherent risks. If training is not properly progressed then overall effectiveness is at risk, reaching top performance is not as likely, and higher possibility for injury ensues. To single out plyometrics as dangerous to train is one of the most idiotic statements anyone can make. The fact that they do carry a slightly higher risk for injury, given that all field and court sports have significant amounts of plyometric components related to them is even more of a reason you should train them in the weight room!

    Safety concerns include posture and position, maintaining said posture and position during loading and landing, and paying attention to volume. Not to brown nose here but the power athlete progressions are spot on for teaching plyos.

    • Teach proper posture and position. If one doesn’t know what position to land in or take off from they will never be effective and can risk injury.
    • Landing in proper position, once it’s establish test it with depth lands from a low height.
    • Alignment while jumping, or just another way of saying stay in the correct positions during the eccentric, amortization, and concentric phases.
    • Prep work. “<span style=”color: #ffffff; font-family: Georgia, ‘Times New Roman’, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.5px; background-color: #a7a9ac;”>Supplementary and preparatory drills consist of weight training exercises to develop sufficient muscular strength, especially </span>eccentric<span style=”color: #ffffff; font-family: Georgia, ‘Times New Roman’, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.5px; background-color: #a7a9ac;”> strength, and connective tissue strength and elasticity to handle the forces involved.”(Mcquilkin,T) </span>
  • in reply to: Week 5: Activity #571

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    • in reply to: Week 5: Activity #572

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      Didn’t film opposite side of See-saw because her knee was flared up so we didn’t do it. And back is currently recovering from a small injury so I didn’t feel comfortable taking her up to the point of failure. We went to 205 and her true 3rm is 275.

  • in reply to: Week 5: Activity #570

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    Waiting on my vids to upload to youtube

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion A #565

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    Quickness- “The ability of the CNS to contract, relax, or control muscle function without involvement of any preliminary stretch” (Siff, 2004, p. 133)

    Reactive ability- “The neuromuscular ability to generate explosive force, a quality which relies on both preliminary stretch and rapidity of reaction” (Siff, 2004, p. 134).

    Not to copy @benkuch here with the definitions, but a major difference between these two is stated in the definition itself. Quickness does not utilize any preliminary stretch where Reactive ability clearly does. To highlight this difference I will stick with the example of a boxer’s punch. I would relate quickness to a jab from the defensive position as opposed to a haymaker with a large loading phase which would be reactive ability.

    What stood out to me as the main similarity would be both quickness and reactive ability would have to rely on precision to be effective. Siff defines precision as “the ability to execute a single goal-directed task with the smallest degree of error or the least number of random moves during performance of the task.” (Siff, M. p133) Let’s stick with the example of a jab vs a haymaker. Disregarding the strategic element of the jab in boxing let’s just focus on if the jab is landed. If it is not precise, one has a very small and moving target to hit, it will not be effective. Similarly the haymaker must have very little “wasted” movement in order to not give the punch away and if landed could end the fight, if not landed could open the fighter up for disaster.

    These two abilities can work together quite well in the sporting arena. Think successful jab followed by haymaker. Think very small jump cut followed by huge juke covering a large distance. If you look at this video of Vick (Welbourn’s favorite person, at least it’s an interception though) at the 3 or 4s mark when he avoids the sack I look at as quickness, and then the 7or 8s mark you see him get low on his plant into the ground and explode off his foot to cover about 2 yards just before he throws I look at that as reactive ability.

     

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion B #614

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    Nailed Carl. I deal with the same thing in basketball. Kids have AAU practice 2x/week and tournaments on the weekends of 5+ games. Your last sentence is spot on.

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion B #612

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    Also, knock on wood, in 3 1/2 years of the Athlete Factory not one athlete has been injured during plyometric training. In 7 years of our CrossFit gym we had one lady who is a marathon runner tear a muscle in the calf doing double unders. So far by “training” the plyo’s it has worked out well. I know your statement wasn’t assuming my gym or any of ours elicits injuries due to plyo’s but more so as a whole. This is understandable without competent coaches to train them. Furthermore, I also understand even with an competent coach shit still happens occasionally.

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion B #610

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    @menacedolan  If something pertinent to sport comes with a higher risk of injury within the sport, such as plyometrics, then shouldn’t an athlete be trained on how to do it properly. I said:

    ” <span style=”color: #000000; font-family: Georgia, ‘Times New Roman’, serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 22.5px;”>To single out plyometrics as dangerous to train is one of the most idiotic statements anyone can make.” </span>

    Notice I used the word “train”, not simply execute, workout with, be prescribed by a coach, but “train”. One needs to put them as a priority in there program under proper progressions to “train” them so the athlete can not only perform better with them, but cut the inherently higher risk for injury down. So if people say you shouldn’t “train” plyometrics, I will stick with my original statement is saying that is an idiotic thing to say.

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion A #599

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    Just in case anyone still cares…Here is some research on the step.

    STEPPING BACKWARD CAN IMPROVE SPRINT
    PERFORMANCE OVER SHORT DISTANCES
    DAVID M. FROST,
    1 JOHN B. CRONIN,
    1,2 AND GREGORY LEVIN1
    1
    School of Exercise, Biomedical, and Health Sciences, Edith Cowan University, Joondalup, West Australia, Australia;
    2
    School of Sport and Recreation, AUT University, Auckland, New Zealand
    ABSTRACT
    The use of a backward (false) step to initiate forward movement
    has been regarded as an inferior starting technique and
    detrimental to sprinting performance over short distances as it
    requires additional time to be completed, but little evidence
    exists to support or refute this claim. Therefore, we recruited
    27 men to examine the temporal differences among three standing
    starts that employed either a step forward (F) or a step
    backward (B) to initiate movement. An audio cue was used to
    mark the commencement of each start and to activate the
    subsequent timing gates. Three trials of each starting style
    were performed, and movement (0 m), 2.5 m, and 5 m times
    were recorded. Despite similar performances to the first timing
    gate (0.80 and 0.81s for F and B, respectively), utilizing a step
    forward to initiate movement resulted in significantly slower
    sprint times to both 2.5 and 5 m (6.4% and 5.3%, respectively).
    Furthermore, when the movement times were removed and
    performances were compared between gates 1 and 2, and 2
    and 3, all significant differences were seen before reaching
    a distance of only 2.5 m. The results from this investigation
    question the advocacy of removing the false step to improve an
    athlete’s sprint performance over short distances. In fact, if the
    distance to be traveled is as little as 0.5 m in the forward
    direction, adopting a starting technique in which a step
    backward is employed may result in superior performance.
    KEY WORDS sprint start, timing gates, false step
    INTRODUCTION
    The ability to accelerate over short distances is of
    paramount importance to success in many sports
    (1,13) Because of the paucity of empirical evidence,
    however, conflicting views remain with
    regard to the most advantageous starting style (9). Investigators
    have placed a great deal of effort toward improving
    our understanding of the sprint start but have focused
    primarily on the kinetics and kinematics associated with
    blocks starts (10–12,15,16), making the transference to fieldbased
    sports, where athletes begin from a standing position,
    somewhat problematic (9,13). This fact motivated the present
    research, with the objective being to provide further insight
    into the possible mechanical advantages and sprint performance
    differences associated with various standing starts.
    To initiate forward movement from a stationary standing
    position, the center of mass must be positioned anterior to the
    base of support (feet) (6). This is achieved in one of two ways:
    a rotation of the body about the ankle joint, thereby shifting
    the center of mass forward, or by displacing the support area
    behind the center of mass (placing one foot backward) (6).
    However, if we consider a tennis player sprinting from the
    baseline to pick up a drop shot, a baseball player reacting to
    a shallow fly ball, or a basketball player attempting to make
    a steal, they all initiate forward movement from a variation of
    the athletic ready position that is characteristic of their
    respective sport (feet parallel) (8,14). With the exception of
    a stoppage in play, the chaotic nature of most sports rarely
    allows an athlete to set his/her position before the initiation
    of forward movement; therefore, most athletes are forced to
    accelerate from a variation of this parallel foot position.
    From this parallel stance, an athlete may choose to initiate
    movement via a repositioning of their center of mass (lean and
    step forward – parallel start) or their feet (step backward –
    false start). Intuitively, the use of a backward step to accelerate
    forward seems counterproductive and has led to the belief
    that an athlete should eliminate this unnecessary movement
    to produce a more time-efficient start (6). However, if the
    time taken to achieve the backward step does not exceed
    the time required to shift the center of mass forward, then
    perhaps the false step is not counterproductive and an athlete
    may see a performance benefit by employing a backward step
    to initiate forward movement.
    Comparing the parallel and false starts, Kraan et al. (9)
    found that stepping backward resulted in significantly greater
    horizontal force and power production at push off via
    a contribution from the stretch-shortening cycle (SSC). This
    result led the investigators to conclude that the fastest start
    achieved from a standing position was in fact one that allows
    a paradoxical step backward; however, this was stated
    without any empirical support from sprint times over set
    Address correspondence to Dr. David M. Frost, d.frost@ecu.edu.au.
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    distances. Consequently, it remains
    unclear as to whether
    there are performance benefits
    from this increased force production,
    what the minimal
    sprint distance is to exploit
    these benefits, and how long
    can they be maintained. Therefore,
    the primary purpose of
    this investigation was to examine
    the movement (0 m), 2.5 m,
    and 5 m times between standing
    starts employing a step
    forward and a step backward
    to initiate movement.
    METHODS
    Experimental Approach to the Problem
    Forward movement from a standing position is initiated in
    one of two ways: by rotating the body about the ankle joint or
    by taking a step backward (6). To assess the effect that either
    starting strategy has on sprinting performance, athletic men
    from various sporting backgrounds performed three 5-m
    sprints employing three different standing starts. An audio
    cue was used to initiate movement and trigger the timing
    system with the aim of capturing sprint times at the 0-, 2.5-,
    and 5-m lines. A between-start comparison was conducted
    for each distance recorded, including or excluding the time
    taken to the first gate.
    Subjects
    Twenty-seven men of an athletic background volunteered to
    participate in this study. Each individual cited previous
    involvement in an organized running-related sport; however,
    no one competed at the national level. They were 22.1 6 2.9
    years of age, 180.1 6 6.6 cm tall, and weighed 76.1 6 7.7 kg.
    The investigation was approved by the human ethics committee
    of Edith Cowan University, and all participants gave
    their informed consent before data collection.
    Starting Styles
    The three standing starts employed for the purpose of this
    investigation are shown in Figure 1. The false start began with
    participants placing both feet directly behind the starting line.
    On the audio command, the first movement was a step
    backward with the right foot. Subjects were permitted to
    raise their left foot as the right went back, permitting that the
    first step forward was also with the right foot. This protocol
    was used to maintain consistency between all starting styles.
    The parallel start began in the same manner as the false start
    (both feet directly behind the starting line), but on the audio
    command, participants were required to adopt a technique
    in which they rotated their bodies about the ankle joints,
    shifting their center of mass forward, to allow the first step to
    be forward with the right foot. No movement backward with
    either foot was permitted. A split stance starting posture was
    used as a control condition to allow comparisons with the
    false start to be made, as it involved a similar displacement of
    the support area before the commencement of forward
    movement. All starts required that the subject be absolutely
    still before the sounding of the audio buzzer.
    Equipment
    Three pairs of dual-beam infrared timing lights (Swift
    Performance Equipment, Lismore, NSW, Australia) with
    a beam height of 0.6 and 0.9 m from the ground (Figure 1)
    were positioned 0, 2.5, and 5 m from the start line. The
    starting line was located 0.5 m behind the first timing light
    to prevent any extraneous movement from prematurely
    breaking the beams (7).
    Procedures
    After measuring height and weight and signing the informed
    consent, participants completed a general warm-up consisting
    of 10 minutes of light jogging and dynamic stretching.
    They were then familiarized with the three starting styles that
    were to be used during the investigation and asked to perform
    five submaximal 5-m sprints progressing in intensity from 50%
    to 90% maximal effort with a self-selected starting style. All
    sprints were performed indoors on a rubberized surface and
    required participants to wear an athletic running shoe. Kraan
    et al. (9) stated that initiating forward movement with
    Figure 1. (A) Starting position of parallel and false start. (B) Starting position of split start and representative of the
    backward step for the false start. (C) First forward step for all each start.
    TABLE 1. Coefficient of variation (%) based on sprint
    times for each starting style at each distance.
    Starting
    style 0 m 2.5 m 5 m 0–2.5 m 2.5–5 m 0–5 m
    Parallel 8.71 4.17 2.91 5.01 8.53 2.64
    Split 6.24 3.51 2.26 5.02 4.81 2.20
    False 7.20 3.92 2.94 4.08 3.38 2.79
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    a backward step is instinctive for up to 95% of individuals;
    therefore, to ensure that participants were adopting their
    natural backward step and to avoid any influence of the
    parallel start, the first sprinting style used for all participants
    was the false start. The order of the two remaining starting
    styles (parallel and split) was randomized for all participants.
    Each subject was required to perform a minimum of three
    5-m maximal effort sprints for each starting style with the last
    two being recorded for analyses. Approximately 90 seconds’
    rest was given between each trial and 3 minutes’ rest between
    each starting style. If the trial was not completed according
    to the descriptions outlined above or if the participant
    attempted to anticipate the starting buzzer, then an additional
    trial was completed after a subsequent 90 seconds of rest.
    All trials were initiated with a buzzer (Swift Performance
    Equipment) that also commenced the timing gates. This was
    used as a means of capturing the reaction and movement times
    before crossing the first timing gate.
    Statistical Analyses
    Means and standard deviations are used throughout as
    measures of centrality and spread of data. Within-subject
    reliability of the sprint times (0, 2.5, and 5 m) for each starting
    style was evaluated using coefficients of variation (CV). Pearson
    correlation coefficients were used to identify relationships
    among the different starts. A two-factor (distance 3 start)
    repeated-measures ANOVA with Holm-Sidak post hoc
    comparisons was used to determine significant differences
    among conditions. Statistical significance for all tests was set
    at an a level of 0.05. ANOVAs and Pearson correlations were
    analyzed with SigmaStat 3.1 (Systat Software Inc., Richmond,
    CA).
    RESULTS
    The inter-trial variability for each starting style is shown in
    Table 1. Greatest variation in the times (CV 6.24–8.71%) was
    observed from the beginning of the audio cue to the first light.
    Less variation was noted as the distance from the starting
    line increased and reaction time became less influential on
    total time.
    No significant differences in time taken to the first timing
    gate were observed between the false and parallel starting
    styles, although both starts took significantly longer than the
    split start (see Table 2). At 2.5 and 5 m, there were significant
    differences among all starts, as initiating forward movement
    with a backward step was found to be quicker than stepping
    TABLE 2. Mean (SD) sprint times for each starting style at each distance.
    Starting style 0 m (s) 2.5 m (s) 5 m (s) 0–2.5 m (s) 2.5–5 m (s) 0–5 m (s)
    Parallel 0.80 (0.11) 1.55 (0.10)† 1.99 (0.11)† 0.74 (0.07)† 0.44 (0.06) 1.19 (0.06)†
    Split 0.69 (0.06)† 1.31 (0.07)† 1.74 (0.08)† 0.62 (0.06)* 0.43 (0.03) 1.05 (0.06)*
    False 0.81 (0.07) 1.45 (0.08)† 1.89 (0.13)† 0.65 (0.05)* 0.44 (0.11) 1.08 (0.12)*
    *Significantly different from parallel start (p , 0.01).
    †Significantly different from both starts (p , 0.01).
    TABLE 3. Pearson correlation matrix between starting styles and distances.
    S0 F0 P2.5 S2.5 F2.5 P5 S5 F5 M
    P0 0.226 20.077 0.748* 0.215 0.010 0.826* 0.221 0.393 20.393
    S0 0.077 0.309 0.665* 0.133 0.343 0.647* 0.406 0.136
    F0 0.059 0.115 0.820* 0.152 0.208 0.398 0.089
    P2.5 0.218 0.207 0.862* 0.289 0.342 20.102
    S2.5 0.258 0.254 0.931* 0.399 20.010
    F2.5 0.284 0.336 0.544 0.104
    P5 0.357 0.468 20.214
    S5 0.499 0.095
    F5 20.223
    M = mass of participants; P = parallel; S = split; F = false.
    *Significant difference (p , 0.01).
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    Stepping Backwards and Sprint Performance
    forward (parallel was 6.4% slower at 2.5 m and 5.3% slower at
    5 m compared with the false start).
    When the movement time was removed (time to the first
    timing gate) and only the time between each successive gate was
    examined, the false start was not significantly different from the
    split start at any distance; however, the times were significantly
    less than for the parallel start for 0–2.5 and 0–5 m (parallel was
    15.0% slower for 0–2.5 and 9.5% slower from 0–5). However,
    there were no significant differences among any of the starts in
    the time taken to sprint from 2.5 to 5 m (see Table 2).
    Pearson correlations were used to identify the relationship
    among the various starts at the three distances. As can be
    observed from the correlation matrix (see Table 3), there were
    no significant correlations among any start regardless of
    whether movement time was included (see Table 3). The
    only significant correlations were found within the starting
    styles between distances.
    DISCUSSION
    The use of a backward step to accelerate forward has been
    regarded as an inferior starting style because intuitively it
    seems counterproductive to an athlete’s performance (6).
    However, this conjecture is based on the assumption that the
    time required to complete the backward step is greater than
    that to adjust the position of the center of mass and step
    forward. The results from the current investigation provide
    opposition for this notion as the false and parallel starts
    achieved near-identical times to the first timing gate (Table 2).
    In fact, when the distance to be covered was just 3 m (second
    timing gate), using a backward step reduced the sprint time by
    100 ms or 6.0% (Tables 2 and 3). A 6% reduction in the time to
    cover a short distance may have a considerable impact on
    athletic performance when movement time is a critical factor.
    When an athlete adopts a false starting style by repositioning
    their base of support, forward movement of the
    center of mass is either temporarily suspended or slowed until
    the horizontal impulse generated from the backward step is
    large enough to elicit forward movement. As a result, the total
    false start movement time recorded by the first timing gate is
    composed of reaction time, and positive (forward) and
    negative (backward) movement time, compared with just
    reaction time and positive movement time when the parallel
    start is initiated via a displacement of the center of mass.
    Therefore, if both starts require the same distance to be
    traveled to the first gate (50 cm) but do not result in significantly
    different movement times, as in the current study,
    then it can be inferred that the use of a backward step resulted
    in a subsequent increase in the horizontal velocity of the
    center of mass at the first timing gate (0 m). If the use of
    a backward step does increase the horizontal velocity of the
    center of mass at the first timing gate, further improvements to
    performance should be expected at the second timing gate.
    This is precisely what was observed; the false start was 90 ms
    faster (p , 0.01) between gates 1 and 2 (0–2.5 m) despite the
    near-identical times at gate 1 (see Table 2). However, it is
    assumed that the reaction times for both starts were similar,
    which may or may not be the case, but was outside the scope
    of this investigation and is a possible limitation.
    The significant difference between the false and parallel
    starts was maintained at the 5-m mark (100 ms or 5.0%) (see
    Table 2), but the times between 2.5 and 5 m were not
    significantly different (Table 2). This would suggest that any
    mechanical advantage gained via a step backward is utilized
    before traveling 2.5 m, although any reduction in this first 2.5 m
    is maintained for the remainder of the sprint. Kraan et al. (9)
    reported that the use of a backward step allowed for the
    generation of greater force and power at push off, and the
    results from this study suggest that this additional force may
    be partly responsible for the superior sprint performance over
    5 m. Further investigation into the kinetics and kinematics
    associated with the first few steps may provide additional
    insight into the mechanical advantages associated with
    a backward step.
    The split start served as a control condition for the current
    study because it allowed each participant to displace his
    support area to a position behind their center of mass before
    the initiation of forward movement. This start allowed for
    a horizontal impulse to be generated immediately after the
    starting cue, without having to displace the center of mass or
    take a step backward, therefore reducing the movement time
    to the first gate (see Table 2). However, with the exception of
    a stoppage in play, athletes will rarely find themselves with an
    opportunity to adopt this starting posture (6), consequently
    reducing its practical significance. Furthermore, Kraan et al.
    (9) found the split start to be less effective than the false start
    in terms of generating horizontal force and power at push off,
    perhaps because of the absence of a SSC action. Although the
    split start was significantly faster than both other starts to
    each timing gate, the difference between it and the false start
    was a result of a reduction in movement time to reach the
    first gate (see Table 2). When the initial movement time was
    removed from the sprint performance over 5 m, only 30 ms
    separated the false from the split starting style (p . 0.05).
    Surprisingly, there seems to be no relationship in sprinting
    performance among any of the three starting styles even over
    a short distance such as 5 m (see Table 3). These findings
    imply that each starting style is characterized by its own
    specific kinetic and kinematic demands (i.e., technique and
    strength/power characteristics). Therefore, if the false start is
    viewed as the optimal starting style for an athlete’s respective
    sport, then the kinetics and kinematics of the backward step
    need to be analyzed and subsequently enhanced for sprint
    performance and thus for athletic performance to improve.
    Using the SSC has shown to improve performance compared
    with concentric-only movements (2–5,9); therefore, with proper
    training, the false start may have the potential to result in superior
    sprint performance to the split start over certain distances,
    although this contention requires additional investigation.
    While comparing the first step kinetics associated with
    stepping backward or forward, Kraan et al. (9) found that 95%
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    of the sprint trials completed, independent of the starting
    style that the athlete was instructed to use, were performed
    with a backward step. This finding provides support for the
    argument that displacing the support area and taking a step
    backward is instinctive to most athletes, whereas a great deal
    of practice may be required to perfect a forward step. Similar
    results were seen during the present study, although the
    percentage of trials performed incorrectly was not recorded.
    Despite the fact that it may be instinctive, it would be
    interesting to conduct a longitudinal study that looked at the
    performance of a parallel start with sufficient practice. Would
    performance improve? Would movement time and the subsequent
    2.5- and 5-m times remain inferior to the false start?
    Conversely, are the benefits associated with the false start
    attributable to the positioning of the support area behind the
    center of mass and the SSC?
    PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS
    The results from this study failed to justify the elimination of
    a backward step to accelerate forward. In fact, they provide
    clear support for the use of this paradoxical movement to
    improve sprint performance over distances as short as 2.5 m.
    If an athlete is able to travel 50 cm just as quickly with a step
    backward but can also improve his horizontal velocity and
    therefore any subsequent sprint time, is there any practical
    application for using a parallel start? The results from the
    current investigation suggest that if the distance to be traveled
    in a straight line is greater than 0.5 m, there may not be any
    advantage to using a forward step; however, the degree of
    transference to performance over longer distances and different
    surfaces remains unclear.
    The findings from this study may have been different had
    each participant been well trained with the parallel start, but it
    is possible that the superior performance is a result of the
    mechanical advantages associated with shifting the support
    area vs. the center of mass. With a parallel start, the center of
    mass must be repositioned in front of the feet before a
    horizontal force can be developed. This delay, in combination
    with the absence of a SSC action, may not be conducive to
    improving an athlete’s acceleration over short distances, thus
    resulting in an increased movement time. If an athlete were
    able to stop play and set their position, then perhaps a split
    start could result in superior performance. If this is not the
    case and they are starting from a parallel stance variation, then
    the next best way to initiate forward movement is with a step
    in the opposite direction.
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  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion A #590

    chobbs
    Participant

    @DavidMck Did you read my whole post? My entire argument is that it is not wasted movement and I know you just pointed that out, but the main thing is trying to get over the mental block or at least being open to the fact that the backward “step” is advantageous from the athletic position. If we are talking about the “least number of random moves” which has less? A slight step back with no other movement needed or stepping forward having to lean the entire torso with the step? The former I believe has less margin for error and is a quicker way to get into an advantageous position to explode forward getting from point A to point B faster.

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion A #586

    chobbs
    Participant

    Alright boys the can is open, the worms are out let’s go down this rabbit hole. Let me clarify my point as to when a “plyo-step” is warranted. I contest that when an athlete is in a bilateral foot position whether standing upright or in an athletic position and a reaction to a stimulus is involved that the plyo-step is the fast way to get from point A to point
    B. I am not arguing for other positions such as a 3 point stance or a staggered stance because a mechanical advantage has already been establish in those positions.

    Think about the athletic position, you need to be able to step in any direction we can all agree on that. That being said we are not leaning forward excessively because we need to react to a stimulus, IF we could have excessive forward lean then there would be no need for the plyo-step because our body is putting itself in a position that gives us a mechanical advantage to explode from, mainly from displacement of the trunk. However, if we are in a true athletic position and need to REACT from it and that reaction is to go forward as fast as possible then the “plyo-step” is the best way to get there. Why? We don’t have to displace anything other than the leg that steps back, the hips and torso stay fixed. This decreasing margin for error because if we immediately step forward the torso and hips have to come with it to establish proper lean to explode. By plyo-stepping we are already there.

    First video:

    • Fast forward to the 45 sec mark for a great angle.
    • Both Lewis and 59 Plyo-step
    • Ray’s is more of a gather as he is creeping up to get closer to the line and is showing his blitz.
    • 59 is not giving his blitz away and reacts to the snap of the ball. He is in a pretty darn good athletic position, reacts to a stimulus and explodes with a plyo-step. I would contest if he tried to lean and step forward with reaction to the ball he would not have been nearly as effective.

    Video 2:

    • Fast forward to about the 25 sec mark.
    • Hester is walking and is upright
    • When he reacts what does he do? Massive “plyo-step” to get into a position to be shot out of a fucking cannon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt8FUjk13Y8

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion A #568

    chobbs
    Participant

    However, there is still quickness involved within the plyo step. How “quick” can you be to drop the step back to load then explode.

  • in reply to: Week 6: Discussion A #567

    chobbs
    Participant

    I 100% agree with that, assuming you are referring to a plyo-step not sure of this “false step” you speak of.

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